S3E5: 'Nonconformist Innovation in Modern Digital Identity' with Steve Tout (Integrated Solutions Group)

The Shifting Privacy Left Podcast

In this week's episode, I am joined by Steve Tout, Practice Lead at Integrated Solutions Group (ISG) and Host of The Nonconformist Innovation Podcast to discuss the intersection of privacy and identity. Steve has 18+ years of experience in global Identity & Access Management (IAM) and is currently completing his MBA from Santa Clara University. Throughout our conversation, Steve shares his journey as a reformed technologist and advocate for 'Nonconformist Innovation' & 'Tipping Point Leadership.'
Steve's approach to identity involves breaking it down into 4 components: 1) philosophy, 2) politics, 3) economics & 4)technology, highlighting their interconnectedness. We also discuss his work with Washington State and its efforts to modernize Consumer Identity Access Management (IAM). We address concerns around AI, biometrics & mobile driver's licenses. Plus, Steve offers his perspective on tipping point leadership and the challenges organizations face in achieving privacy change at scale.
Topics Covered:

• Steve's origin story; his accidental entry into identity & access management (IAM)
• Steve's perspective as a 'Nonconformist Innovator' and why he launched 'The Nonconformist Innovation Podcast'
• The intersection of privacy & identity
• How to address organizational resistance to change, especially with lean resources
• Benefits gained from 'Tipping Point Leadership'
• 4 common hurdles to tipping point leadership
• How to be a successful tipping point leader within a very bottom-up focused organization
• 'Consumer IAM' & the driving need for modernizing identity in Washington State
• How Steve has approached the challenges related to privacy, ethics & equity
• Differences between the mobile driver's license (mDL) & verified credentials (VC) standards & technology
• How States are approaching the implementation of mDL in different ways and the privacy benefits of 'selective disclosure'
• Steve's advice for privacy technologists to best position them and their orgs at the forefront of privacy and security innovation
• Steve recommended books for learning more about tipping point leadership

Guest Info:

• Connect with Steve on LinkedIn
• Listen to The Nonconformist Innovation Podcast

Resources Mentioned:

• Steve's Interview with Tom Kemp
• Tipping Point Leadership books:
  • On Change Management
  • Organizational Behavior
  • Ethics in the Age of Disruptive Technologies: An Operational Ro

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1. S3E5: 'Nonconformist Innovation in Modern Digital Identity' with Steve Tout (Integrated Solutions Group) (00:00:00)

2. Introducing Steve Tout, Practice Lead at ISG and Host of The Nonconformist Innovation Podcast (00:02:25)

3. Steve discusses his origin story and career path (00:04:14)

4. Steve defines "Nonconformist Innovation" and describes how he's a nonconformist innovator (00:07:18)

5. Steve tells us about his podcast show, The Non-Comformist Innovation Podcast (00:14:10)

6. Debra & Steve discuss the overlap of identity and privacy (00:17:35)

7. Steve's advice on how to address organizational resistance to change, especially when your current resources are lean (00:26:33)

8. Debra & Steve discuss the benefits gained from 'Tipping Point Leadership,' where business transformation can occur by gaining a critical mass can be driven by a small number of influential leaders or change agents within the organization (00:30:01)

9. Steve shares how to be a successful tipping point leader if you work in a very bottom up focused organization (00:33:31)

10. Steve explains what 'consumer IAM' is and what's the driving need for modernizing identity in Washington State. (00:38:53)

11. Steve shares some of the challenges to privacy, ethics and equity that he's come across and how his team has addressed them (00:42:22)

12. Debra & Steve discuss the differences between mDL, so mobile driver's license and verified credentials technology (00:46:03)

13. Steve describes how the States are approaching their implementation of mobile drivers licenses (mDL) in different ways and articulates the benefits of 'selective disclosure' (00:48:50)

14. Steve's advice for privacy technologists so that they can best position themselves and their organizations at the forefront of privacy and security innovation (00:50:23)

15. Steve lists the books and resources that he recommend so that people can learn more about this tipping point leadership style (00:51:29)