Ken Meets Psycho, Ire V Eng, Springboks' Lair, Ellen Keane's Magic

The Second Captains Podcast

On this week's World Service tasting platter we drum up some excitement ahead of Saturday's Nations League showdown with England, Ken goes toe-to-toe with Stuart 'Psycho' Pearce on TalkSport and Craig Ray tells us why Ellis Park in Johannesburg is the toughest place to go in world rugby,

And the brilliant Ellen Keane chats to us about seeing magic, introverted extroverts and seeking spontaneity.

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