Something More Than Just a Secret (Ep 437 - Wilson/Will & Grace)

The Sewers of Paris

I’m speaking this week with Wilson Paulino, who co-hosts the Wilferland podcast with his partner Fernando. Wilson grew up in a pretty idyllic tourist town in the Dominican Republic, where life was good … as long as he didn’t talk about who he really was. Quietly closeted, he watched gay couples on American TV shows, living lives that seemed impossibly far away. But meeting his partner helped open a new chapter for them both — one that bears surprising resemblance to some of their favorite fictional queer heroes.

We’ll have that conversation in a minute.

First, a couple quick reminders, starting with a heads-up that I’ve got a video coming your way this weekend about the making of the movie Psycho and the long strange journey of Norman Bates.

Also, I hope you’ll join me for weekly livestreams over on Twitch every Sunday afternoon at twitch.tv/mattbaume. Last time we watched some classic episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and we’ll be continuing that this weekend. And if you haven’t yet, take a look at my new book about the history of queer characters on sitcoms, Hi Honey, I’m Homo! — available now wherever books are sold. Go to gaysitcoms.com for details. You can even get a signed, personalized copy … which might make a nice holiday gift, if you’re the kind of person who likes getting your shopping done early.

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