SO much to dig into (Friends)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Adam & Jerod (plus zero other randos) dig into Stack Overflow’s 2025 developer survey results. We discuss SO’s decline, the desire for younger devs to have real chats with real people, the rise of uv and more Python winning, why people are frustrated with AI, and more.

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Featuring:

• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey
• Stack Overflow’s decline — Eric Holscher
• uv: Unified Python packaging

Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

บท

1. Let's talk! (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Auth0 (00:00:38)

https://auth0.com/ai

3. 50k & Friends (00:02:06)

4. Our SO experience (00:05:36)

5. The decline of SO (00:08:30)

6. SO on SO usage (00:12:08)

7. YouTube talk (00:17:10)

8. Chat (with people) (00:20:05)

9. Remembering Mahalo (00:24:19)

10. Diffing generations (00:26:02)

11. Learning platforms (00:30:35)

12. Chapters FTW! (00:33:41)

13. Denver shout outs! (00:37:41)

14. Sponsor: Depot (00:40:23)

https://depot.dev

15. Let's talk Python (00:42:43)

16. Desired vs Admired (00:46:22)

17. Prog langs compared (00:47:50)

18. Web frameworks compared (00:50:45)

19. Figma MCP fail (00:51:58)

20. Almost right is wrong (00:57:31)

21. Back to earth (for now) (00:59:53)

22. Green vs brown designs (01:01:42)

23. Frontenders survive (for now) (01:03:36)

24. The car rental analogy (01:07:15)

25. Vibe coding not a thing (01:12:14)

26. The hype is there (01:15:01)

27. Notepad++ (01:17:47)

28. The IDE downtrend (01:19:25)

29. Bye, friends (01:22:04)

30. Closing thoughts (01:22:35)