Adventures in babysitting coding agents (Friends)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

The ever-provocative Steve Yegge joins us fresh off a vibe coding bender so productive, he wrote a book on the topic alongside award-winning author Gene Kim. Steve tells us why he believes the IDE is dead, why babysitting AI agents is more fun than coding, when vibe coding might take over the enterprise, how software devs should approach coding agents, and what it all means for society.

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Featuring:

• Steve Yegge – GitHub, LinkedIn, X
• Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
• Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X

Show Notes:

• Claude Code
• Amp
• OpenAI Codex
• Revenge of the junior developer
• Steve’s book

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บท

1. Let's talk! (00:00:00)

2. Sponsor: Retool (00:00:38)

https://retool.com/agents

3. Hot takes & Friends (00:02:37)

4. Babysitting AIs (00:09:36)

5. All coding will change (00:16:27)

6. Multi-agent is the key (00:20:02)

7. The dopamine hit (00:24:26)

8. The death of the junior eng? (00:26:48)

9. Sponsor: Heroku (00:30:13)

https://www.heroku.com/changelogpodcast

10. It's starting in enterprises (00:33:16)

11. The new gig economy (00:39:19)

12. A fitting analogy (00:40:46)

13. Afraid to go beyond (00:43:37)

14. Getting over the hump (00:50:37)

15. Worth waiting? (00:54:06)

16. Sponsor: Outshift by Cisco (00:57:47)

https://agntcy.org

17. Getting tactical (00:58:51)

18. Talk to the plan (01:02:01)

19. Who wrote this? (01:10:14)

20. So expensive! (01:15:31)

21. Giving them tools (01:20:04)

22. Hitting the household (01:22:12)

23. Dumbness as a feature (01:25:13)

24. Memory matters (01:25:50)

25. Societal impact (01:27:31)

26. Being a kid today (01:29:33)

27. What's the point? (01:30:29)

28. Bye, friends (01:31:57)

29. Next week on the pod (01:32:43)

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