Never turn your back on the ocean: Sophie Thomas on the power of design.

Making things better and making better things

Sophie Thomas is a designer with a business brain or a business person with a designer's brain - i'm not sure which but it really doesn't matter. She pioneered thinking on circular economy and how designers are the solution to so many things. We also talked about what defines us, how school can lift us or bury us, and how good will always float to the top.