507: Leadership and Accountability at the VA. With Secretary Doug Collins

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Secretary of Veterans Affairs Doug Collins about the realities of leadership in war, ministry, law, Congress, and now the VA. Collins shares hard lessons from funerals and eulogies, where grief and writing become tools for healing. He reflects on the brutality of “full-contact politics,” bipartisan wins that mattered, and the chaos of impeachment battles. From his close work with President Trump to his current mission inside the nation’s second-largest department, Collins lays out the scale of the VA—health care, benefits, cemeteries—and the fight to cut through bureaucracy. This conversation is about service, accountability, and the relentless effort to honor veterans not as victims, but as warriors who deserve the best care their nation can give.

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