How to Deliver Quality Software Against All Odds • Daniel Terhorst-North & Julian Wood

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Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates
Julian Wood - Serverless Developer Advocate at AWS
RESOURCES
Daniel
https://bsky.app/profile/tastapod.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tastapod
https://github.com/tastapod
https://mastodon.social/@tastapod
http://dannorth.net/blog

Julian
https://bsky.app/profile/julianwood.com
https://twitter.com/julian_wood
http://www.wooditwork.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/julianrwood
https://s12d.com/goto
DESCRIPTION
Daniel Terhorst-North and Julian Wood share decades of experience to offer a nuanced view of programming, governance, and product delivery. By framing programming as a socio-technical activity, they emphasize the critical role of collaboration, feedback, and sustainable practices.
The conversation challenges traditional governance models, advocating for hypothesis-driven product management and continuous feedback mechanisms. Through humorous anecdotes and hard-won wisdom, Terhorst-North inspires people to look beyond technical expertise to the broader ecosystem of teams, culture, and organizational alignment. [...]
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บท

1. Intro (00:00:00)

2. 20y of GOTO: From agile beginnings to sustainable software (00:01:41)

3. [Ad] Inspiring Tech Leaders - The Technology Podcast (00:11:21)

4. (Cont.) 20y of GOTO: From agile beginnings to sustainable software (00:11:56)

5. Evolving TDD & BDD (00:12:08)

6. Bridging the gap: The case for domain language in code (00:18:39)

7. The Thoughtworks era: Innovation through necessity & collaboration (00:24:30)

8. DevOps, constraints & organizational flow (00:34:06)

9. Tips on product management & effective delivery (00:41:51)

10. Programming & socio-technical systems (00:47:59)

11. Outro (00:52:38)