Imagine a future with no police

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Vox's Fabiola Cineas talks with author, lawyer, and organizer Derecka Purnell about her recent book Becoming Abolitionists. They discuss Derecka's journey to defending the idea of police abolition, and what that position really entails. They explore questions about the historical and social role of policing in society, how to imagine a future where we radically rethink our system of criminal justice, and how we can acknowledge and incorporate current data about crime—while still rethinking our inherited assumptions about police.

Host: Fabiola Cineas (@FabiolaCineas), reporter, Vox

Guests: Derecka Purnell (@dereckapurnell), author

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This episode was made by:

  • Producer: Erikk Geannikis
  • Editor: Amy Drozdowska
  • Engineer: Paul Robert Mounsey
  • Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall

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