Automation to augmentation: from lawyers acting as modems and machines as judges with Pia Andrews

Reimagining Justice

In episode no. 68 my guest is serial public sector transformer, Pia Andrews. We discuss:

• how her pursuit of “truth” led her to the open-source movement and working in policy development;
• how technological tools relate to our quality of life;
• ‘open source’ – its philosophy and implementation and the idea of “clever hacks”;
• how ‘rules as code’ addresses issues with enforcing regulation;
• prescriptive and principles-based rules and when each are appropriate;
• the connection between the cost of implementing regulation and its effectiveness;
• how an API for prescriptive rules relating to anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism funding could have saved one bank $16M per year!;
• how ‘rules as code’ make compliance more transparent by allowing for modelling, and how this could increase accountability of the public sector;
• how current policy creation is insufficient and requires input from community and an example from France which incorporated co-design of policy;
• Taiwan’s response to the introduction of Uber!
• the importance of multidisciplinary teams in developing policy and how ‘rules as code’ facilities doing so in real time;
• how ‘rules as code’ improves trust and compliance with administrative law and shifts the onus to government;
• different public sector approaches to the “new normal”;
• how the relationship between the public sector and its government drives outcomes;
• whether a public sector should serve – the government, parliament or the people?
• 3 things necessary to create an environment for innovation and solving wicked problems;
• the connection between capacity and innovation, and Pia’s ideas about how to increase civic participation through a “civic gap year” and “policy difference engine”; and of course
• Pia’s definition of legal innovation.

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Links:

• Linux Home
• TedX multipotentialite Emilie Wapnick: Why some of us don't have one true calling | TED Talk
• Docassemble
• Legislation as Code and better rules
• Building a trustworthy public sector with trust infrastructure
• Neota Logic's App Gallery
• Neota Logic
• Churchill Trust project

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