The Trial Lawyers College Podcast talks to leading attorneys, TLC board members, and faculty about the ideas and the issues that are affecting trial lawyers today. The TLC podcast covers courtroom strategy, communicating with jurors, connecting with clients, methods that drive success, balancing healthy relationships with a busy practice and more.
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A Dab Will Do with Maureen Farrell
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One-time TLC course attendee Maureen Farrell shares her personal experiences and growing understanding of psychodrama ignited by a one week TLC course last year in Colorado. Listen as she expands on TLC skills and techniques she’s learned from just one event with the incredible TLC staff.
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Trial Skills Foundation with Max Mitchell
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Listen here to TLC's podcast, with host Rafe Foreman, visiting with Trial Skills Foundation Faculty Member Max Mitchell about the importance of the Public Defender, a position Max recently left to open a solo criminal defense practice in Sedalia, MO.
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TLC Holiday Gifts by Patrick McLain
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Patrick McLain joins us to elaborate on his experiences with all the Trial Lawyers College courses and encourage others to participate in upcoming events with TLC staff. Patrick goes over each course coming up in 2023 and helps detail the planning, effort, and benefit of each unique course.
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You Look Fine to Me (Neuro-diversity in indigent defendants)
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Come and listen to Kim Savo's excellent podcast on neuro-diversity and how we as lawyers need to educate ourselves for representation of clients who fall in this category.
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Treat Everyone Well by Emily Fisher
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Public defender Emily Fisher shares her unique perspective of the broken indigent defense system and offers her unique insight into solutions, including the value of community.
Colby Vokey tells the gripping story around his current military case and his use of TLC methods to discover and relay his case.
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Child Custody Drama - Amanda Harber
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Using the TLC methods of role reversal, doubling, and psychodrama to enrich and deepen the connection for parents who have suffered the loss of their children at the hands of the government, please come and listen while Amanda Harber teaches us.
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To Vaccinate Or Not? That is often the question.
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Simina is uniquely qualified to utilize psychodrama as a certified psychodramatist and in this episode, she not only employs the TLC methods, but gives us a substantive look into the world of the Vaccine court.โดย Simina Vourlis
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Character Flaws - Ken Turek
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Be Yourself - Harry Daniels III
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Harry Daniels III splits his time between civil and criminal trials. Listen as he tells you his insights on how to get to know your client better as well as finding your own powerful voice as an advocate.
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Putting Your Client First - Joy Bertrand
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Joy Bertrand explains her personal journey to withholding judgment of a client who has made poor decisions. The result was a connection that moved her to tears. Stay tuned and give a listen.
Felony chief public defender Jason Sosa recounts the value of TLC methods in training young aspiring trial lawyers in the correct way to practice law including jail cell reenactments and role reversals with members of his community.
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The Power of Story - Brianne van Reenen
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Listen as Brianne, a professional storyteller, author, and book publisher discusses the power of connection and story.
Jerry Perry, past F Warrior President, invites you to learn about yourself, your authenticity, and your uniqueness. Listen while he explains the power contained therein.
Come and listen to Joe Fried, TLC grad of 2002 who has worked on cases in 40 states in the Us, as he talks about fear, a.k.a. "Fred in my head", and imparts his wisdom and insightful methods of turning the voices and fear down a level or two.
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Eric Davis: Don't Give Up, Get Better!
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Eric Davis, our newest TLC Board Member, shares his wisdom, his leadership, and a few personal stories which add up to the greatest piece of advice I have yet to hear on this podcast. Don't give up, get better!
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Why TLC is a Big Part of My Success
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State Representative and Trial Lawyer Ann Johnson discusses her new role as a member of the board of directors for the Trial Lawyers College and how she uses TLC methods in the courtroom, the legislature, and as a politician with equal force and effect.
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Race is critical, its not a theory by Greg Westfall
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Come and listen to Greg Westfalls' insightful, inspirational and creative use of real historical events, exhibited in museums in Montgomery, Alabama, for training purposes for the defense of the damned and in representing the condemned, the downtrodden, and the damned.
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Emotion with Carlos Concepcion
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Tenured law professor and trial lawyer Carolos Concepcion offers insight into TLC methods from his own experience researching the effect of emotions on humans.
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From Oxford England, Paul O'Grady
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Advocacy traverses our nation's boundaries. Listen as Barrister Paul O'Grady explains the Irish court system and his comparison to our system in the US.
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Todd Kelly and Story Board at Mediation
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Todd Kelly details TLC winning methods leading to a recent settlement in a trucking case at mediation. Learn how his client's story and use of story boards through expert witness depositions became the gift that kept on giving.
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Moth Symbiosis with Maren Chaloupka
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Maren Chaloupka explains the exciting symbiotic relationship between the moth storytelling techniques and TLC. Maren is the director and leader of the Grad 2 Course for Trial Lawyers College where new and innovative techniques, curriculum, and personal development are taught by outstanding faculty. Maren details Grad 2 Course and issues an open inv…
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Eric Fong’s Pathway to Empathy and Creativity
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TLC Grad and faculty member Eric Fong explain the connection and path to the empathy he learned at the 3-Week TLC flagship course. Listen carefully as Eric explains how TLC opened up a new world of creativity in his profession and personal life. Don't miss this podcast.
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Defense of the Damned is Credited for Saving Man's Life - Grethe Hahn
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Learn how major Grethe Hahn represented a convicted and previously sentenced to death member of the armed forces and successfully beat the sentence of death in the retrial.
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Trial Skills Course Overview with Co-director Stephen Demik
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Listen to course co-director Stephen Demik describe the outstanding trial skills course which is coming up soon. Each director gives detailed examples of the benefits of attending this trial skills course that you won't want to miss. Tune in and experience an uplifting program with real-life examples for us to all learn from them.…
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Trial Skills Course Overview with Co-director Jim Leach
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Listen to course director Jim Leach describe the outstanding trial skills course which is coming up soon. Each director gives detailed examples of the benefits of attending TLC's Trial Skills Foundation seminar that you won't want to miss. Tune in and experience an uplifting program with real-life examples for us all to learn from.…
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First Time Juror with Tim Baker
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In today’s episode, Rafe takes the opportunity to interview Tim Baker as he anticipates being a juror. Rafe walks Tim through the basics of being a juror, what to expect, and how to prepare.
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Karen Lindholdt Speaks on the Most Difficult Cases and TLC's Methods
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As a leading Spokane, Washington Attorney, Karen Lindholdt has been a successful advocate for the injured and wrongfully accused for the past 27 years. TLC graduate Karen Lindholdt discusses the experience of being a woman representing men accused of sexual assault. Karen discusses the TLC methods that helped her and the difficulties that come with…
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The Truth is a Dangerous Gift with Valerie Malone
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Join our special holiday interview with Valerie Malone as she discusses the season of giving. Valerie and Rafe exchange stories of good tidings and cheer.
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Taking Time Away with John Sloan
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TLC President John Sloan joins the podcast to examine the importance of taking time away from work to strengthen your skills of being a trial lawyer. John and Rafe discuss how participating in various TLC programs can grow and stretch you as a trial lawyer.
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Victoria Rusk on Returning Integrity to the Courtroom
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“It’s integrity. If you don’t have integrity in your thoughts, it’s going to show. You’re going to come across as fake, and nobody wants to be associated with that.” Victoria Rusk, a mitigation specialist and investigator from Houston, TX, credits the Trial Lawyers College’s In Defense of the Damned program with giving her the tools that enhance he…
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Adam Murray on Genuinely Connecting With the Jury
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“It is the idea of just being yourself and connecting and being genuine and not just pretending to be genuine but being actually genuine...see how that actually works.” This fall, former prosecutor Adam Murray enjoyed training at the Trial Lawyers College intensive five-day course in Shambhala, Colorado. Although he is not yet a TLC graduate, he de…
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Kenny Adair on Discovering the Essence of the Story
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“Lawyers get bogged down in minutiae and facts. The facts are important. The facts are the latticework upon which you hang the flesh of your case, and the flesh of your case is going to be the principles, the values, the emotion, the feelings, the betrayal; those types of things are what make a case relatable to a jury.” This week, Kenny Adair, for…
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Frank Mungo on Political Values in Persuasive Storytelling
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“You’ve got to understand who your audience is really is. What are the morals of your jury? Once you understand their morals and whether they’re liberal or conservative, and you tailor your opening statement towards that, you’re well on your way to getting the verdict that you want.” In this episode of the TLC Podcast, host Rafe Foreman meets with …
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Laurie Goodman on Cancer, Chronic Illness, and Choice
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“If the cancer is a wake-up call to spend the rest of my life—however long I have—to live a life with more quality and being more genuine, I’m not thinking that’s too unfair.” This episode of the TLC Podcast features Laurie Goodman, the beloved executive director of the Trial Lawyers College, who speaks with host Rafe Foreman about her April 2021 d…
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Pat Montes on Language & Culture in Attorney-Client Relationships
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“We are in a different mindset than our clients are. Even that is a barrier because, at that point, we don’t see the context where our client comes from.” This week’s TLC podcast features trial lawyer Pat Montes, who offers a thought-provoking look at how language and culture impact a lawyer’s relationships with their clients. Bringing to the table…
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Emily Fisher’s Five Steps to Reconstructing Success in the Justice System
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“There are people who do bad things, but I’ve never met anybody who I felt was just a bad person.” Continuing our series on ‘Reconstructing Success,’ California Public Defender Emily Fisher explores the ways that trial lawyers can intentionally improve injustices and inefficiencies in the justice system. As she guides listeners through her blueprin…
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Scott Glovsky on Effective Storytelling
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“When we tell good stories, the listeners engage.” This week, host Rafe Foreman meets with accomplished civil trial lawyer Scott Glovsky to explore his methods of successfully conveying the emotion behind his clients’ stories to the jury. A passionate advocate for individuals who’ve faced unjust denials by their health insurance companies, Scott de…
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Keeley Blanchard on Inclusivity in the Legal Community
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“There are so many people who have incredible talents that are going to waste because they’ve been excluded. It’s not hard to find if you just open your eyes….and when we see it, we need to use our position of power and privilege in the groups and organizations that we’re leading to elevate that talent and allow them to have the space to shine.” Th…
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Rafe Foreman and Susan Hutchison’s Incredible Gender Discrimination Verdict, Hosted by John Sloan
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John Sloan hosts the TLC Podcast this week to interview Rafe Foreman and partner attorney Susan Hutchison on the incredible verdict the two trial lawyers won in a groundbreaking and unconventional gender discrimination case. Listen along as Rafe and Susan describe how they successfully conveyed their 72-year-old client’s story to the jury after a f…
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Why TLC Is Worth Fighting For With Connie Taylor Henderson
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“Everything I need to know I learned in psychodrama. I remind myself to listen with my heart, tune into the emotions -- not just the words -- be open, be honest, and be kind because we have more in common than we’ll ever know...and to be fearless because no matter how alone we’re feeling, we are never alone and our TLC group -- every single one of …
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Mark Wagner on Loving Others
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“Do something to make someone else’s day better. If we all do that, every day, we’ll change the world.” This week, Washington attorney Mark Wagner continues our ‘Restructuring Success’ series with a refreshing take on the true meaning of success. Channeling the core message of the Trial Lawyers College, Mark argues that success is all in how we tre…
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Redefining Success With Cambry McNabb
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“Success is really subjective, and I think that’s okay. The only thing that I need to do to live truthfully is to define the things that are important to me and let the rest burn. What’s scarier -- disappointing people or thinking, at the end of the day, what kind of life could I have had if I had just been a little bit braver?” This week, Ilinois …
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Eric Fong on the Remarkable $91 Million Verdict Won for His Injured Client
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“The storytelling potential in this case was off the charts because of the lengths the defense was going to go to to avoid the truth.” In this podcast, Eric Fong joins host Rafe Foreman to share, in captivating detail, the extraordinary story of how he and his client defied all odds to obtain a $91 million verdict in a recent personal injury trial.…
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Todd Kelly on Planning in Pretrial
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“Always be willing to be flexible -- don’t get so married to your methodologies that you can’t change those, too. It is in preparation and hard work but it’s also in willing to be open to the ideas of others.” This week, Todd Kelly of Austin, Texas, joins host Rafe Foreman to kick off our new podcast series titled ‘Reconstructing Success’ with an e…
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Jack Lucchesi and Bridget Lucchesi on the COVID Vaccine, Access to Education, and Coping with the Challenges of the Pandemic
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“For me, getting this opportunity with this scholarship, the biggest thing is spreading the message to go and get the vaccine.” On this week’s podcast, high school freshman Jack Lucchesi and his mother, Bridget Lucchesi, join host Rafe Foreman. Jack is one of the first ten winners selected in New York State's College Scholarship raffle for vaccinat…
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Paula Estefan on Working with Opposing Counsel and What Matters about TLC
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“I decided that I should do something I don’t normally do, and that’s reverse roles with a defense attorney and try to figure out where they’re coming from and how their lives have changed. So, I was trying to get personally involved with defense attorneys, not just in the case but in their actual lives...” On this week’s podcast, Conroe, TX trial …
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Brian McCallister on the Post-Pandemic Law Practice
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“The plaintiff’s practice can be very lonely. I think that loneliness has been a bit amplified by being inside, cooped up, and not able to communicate and build relationships like we were meant to. The pandemic has caused an amplification of those relationships gone silent.” On this week’s podcast, Kansas City trial attorney Brian McCallister joins…
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Kenny Adair on the Inner Workings of the Trial Judge
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“Judges are just like us -- they’re egocentric, they think with their own minds, they speak with their own heart, and they bring a lifetime of experiences as a human and as a previous lawyer to the bench.” This riveting podcast features former Oklahoma judge Kenny Adair, now a criminal and civil trial lawyer, who gives his unique perspective on the…
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Kahlie Hoffman on Balancing the Roles of Mother & Trial Lawyer
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“I’m one of those types of people that wants to be all things all the time, and what I’m learning is you can’t be all things all the time. It’s just not possible. That’s how you wind up burned out and really of no use to anybody.” Continuing our theme of ‘Managing in Tough Times’ is Kahlie Hoffman, a Kansas City-based personal injury trial lawyer w…