How should we live in this world when so much is changed? Katherine May, author of Wintering and the Electricity of Every Living Thing, asks those most intimate with the effects of these transformations: what now? How do we stay soft in a world determined to harden? How can we bear witness to suffering without being dragged into despair? How do we ride the waves of our anger, sorrow and exhaustion, and still find space for wonder, hope and joy? How can we possibly help? In a series of frank, ...
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Sarah Moss on memory and meaning-making
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Recently, Katherine interviewed Sarah Moss about her incredible new memoir, My Good Bright Wolf, an account of growing up as a difficult girl in a difficult family, and how this ultimately led to her eating disorder. Throughout the book, she repeatedly argues against herself. A voice rises up in the text and says, What are you trying to claim here?…
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Exploring Hilary Mantel's memoir with Jillian Hess
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What’s to be done with the lost, the dead, but write them into being?’ So writes Hilary Mantel in her extraordinary memoir, Giving Up the Ghost. First published in 2003, it offers a snapshot of the great writer before the Wolf Hall era: a literary, if not commercial, success, and a fragile soul with a dark, scuttling imagination. Katherine was join…
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Kate Fox on the potential and power of poetry
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It was National Poetry Day in the UK earlier this month and Katherine talked to Kate Fox about her new book, On Sycamore Gap, in an extra Book Club event. Kate’s book is about a very special tree in the north of England that was chopped down by vandals, but that has brought people together in the aftermath of its felling. Katherine's book, Enchantm…
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Oliver Burkeman on mortality, acceptance and imperfectionism
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September - when we’re almost as likely to be trying to reform ourselves as in January - is the perfect moment for Oliver Burkeman’s new book, Meditations for Mortals. Katherine sat down to talk to Oliver for her Book Club, and there was one question she was burning to ask: do you confuse lots of readers too? Oliver, you see, has mastered the art o…
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Lucy Jones on matrescence, maternal myths and transformation
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This month, Katherine spoke to Lucy Jones about Matrescence, her book about the profound changes wrought by pregnancy and birth. Combining the biological, the social and the political with exquisite writing, this is a radical revision of a subject veiled in forced cosiness and obfuscation. Lucy's frankness and curiosity - her utter realness - are a…
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Daniel Tammet on real autistic lives
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Katherine was excited to speak to Daniel Tammet about his latest book, Nine Minds: Inner Lives on the Spectrum. Katherine has been reading Daniel’s writing for a long time - his first book, Born on a Blue Day, came out in 2006. At the time, he was writing about his experience as a savant (his synaesthesia means that he conceptualises numbers and da…
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Tom Newlands on writing neurodivergence with a light touch
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Join Katherine as she talks with Tom Newlands about his debut novel, Only Here, Only Now. Katherine talks with Tom about his female main protagonist, the unforgettable Cora, setting the book in 1990s Scotland and how it offers a new way of writing about neurodivergence. She also explains the thinking behind choosing Only Here, Only Now for a non-fi…
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Samantha Irby on being a person
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Join me for a recent conversation with comedian, essayist, blogger, and television writer Samantha Irby. Recorded as part of my True Stories Book Club hosted on Substack, we talked about realising you have a body again after lockdown, dogs that don’t love us enough/love us too much, writing about the darkest parts of our life, and terrorising Sex a…
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Catherine Coldstream on life as a nun
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Join my conversation with Catherine Coldstream as we relax into a questing, rambling chat about the deep pull that many of us feel towards the quiet and gentle rhythms of the monastic life, and the risks of submitting so completely. Katherine's new book, Enchantment, is available now: US/CAN and UK Links from the episode: Catherine’s website Cather…
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Camille T. Dungy on unearthing histories
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At a superficial level, Soil is a gardening memoir, full of gorgeous descriptions of plants and getting your hands in the soil. But the garden in question is a political gesture, an act of resistance and an assertion of belonging. Camille T. Dungy uproots the staid monoculture of the suburban garden, and takes a fierce, critical look at its assumpt…
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Kaitlin Curtice on resisting with integrity
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In the past few years, resistance has been a live issue for many of us, whether we’re wondering for the first time how to bring about social change, or realising that we need to find new ways to be activists. For Kaitlin Curtice, this resistance is an ongoing practice, informed by her perspective as an Indigenous American, and imbued with gentlenes…
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Erica Berry on the meaning of wolves
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The wolf carries an almost unbearable amount of symbolism in western culture, encapsulating the predatory, the carnal, the supernatural and the ravenous. But in her book Wolfish, Erica Berry suggests that it’s time to understand wolves differently: as tender, as hunted, as guardians of the landscape. What’s more, those evil qualities may be better …
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Dacher Keltner on awe, humility and purpose
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I stumbled across Dacher Keltner’s work when I was first researching Enchantment, and now - for the final episode in this season - I’m honoured to speak to him about Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life. Dacher’s research attempts to understand this very fleeting, ineffable emotion. He and his colleagues have s…
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Marjolijn van Heemstra on the overview effect
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Marjolijn van Heemstra believes that we can change the world by gazing into the night sky. Her book, In Light Years There’s No Hurry, explores the ‘overview effect’, a personal transformation reported by astronauts who have seen the earth from space. People who’ve experienced this rare view often report an ethical shift taking place, a new sense of…
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Amy Jeffs on ancient stories and new understandings
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How can we return to a richer, more complex understanding of national identity and personal ethics - one that can only come from folklore? Amy Jeffs is the perfect person to ask. An art historian and printmaker, she creates immersive retellings of ancient stories, beautifully illustrated with her own woodcuts and etchings. In this week’s episode of…
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Báyò Akómoláfé on fugitive ideas
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In this week’s episode of How We Live Now, Katherine speaks to author and public intellectual Báyò Akómoláfé. We consider how we can step out of the belief that humanity is in control of a passive planet, and instead wonder how we can learn to read the intelligence of the systems and landscapes that we inhabit. We meander our way to autism, and beg…
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Kerri ní Dochartaigh on the mystical everyday
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Kerri ní Dochartaigh’s writing rings with a sense of connection between this world and the otherworld, and nowhere is it expressed more clearly than in her latest book, Cacophony of Bone. Here are pages full of subtle signs that are legible only to those who are in the practice of seeking them. It’s a work of plain mysticism, a very personal repres…
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Morgan Harper Nichols on art and perception
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When I spoke to Morgan Harper Nichols, she was taking a break from assignment-writing for the MFA in Interdisciplinary Media Arts she’s studying. That’s a telling detail for this exuberant soul: she has ideas and energy to spare, and she’s always learning, always reaching towards new forms. A visual artist, writer, musician, speaker and podcaster, …
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Pico Iyer on the wisdom of travellers
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Pico Iyer’s latest book, The Half Known Life, looks at the ways in which we seek paradise on earth, sometimes in places that are fraught with risk. In this episode, he and Katherine talk about the similarities in their work, particularly the ways in which they explore secular understandings of big spiritual questions, and they touch on the differen…
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Bonus episode: Katherine May on burnout and why we all need a little more wonder in our lives
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We're in between seasons of How We Live Now and Katherine is in the midst of talking about her new book Enchantment in radio and podcast interviews. We wanted to share one of these conversations with you in the How We Live Now podcast feed. In this episode of The Shift with Sam Baker, Sam and Katherine talk about Katherine’s midlife autism diagnosi…
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Ece Temelkuran on the politics of emotion
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Turkish journalist Ece Temelkuran understands the problems of rightwing populism better than most: she lives as an exile, after her criticism of the Erdogan regime threatened her liberty. But despite the very personal toll that our current politics has taken, Ece remains optimistic. The seeds of a new society, she says, lie in communities, and the …
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Emma Gannon on understanding, not agreeing
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Emma Gannon is a true digital native, a storyteller who finds creative inspiration in online communities, and who has sought a more thoughtful way to be in the digital spaces that so dominate our lives. In this episode, Katherine and Emma discuss what it means to be a digital citizen - the pleasures and the agonies of coming together in the ether, …
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Jay Griffiths on the ecology of connection
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Jay Griffiths’ writing has long explored the link between land, culture and our potential for connection, but her father’s death during lockdown made this more vital than ever. Denied the comfort or closure of a funeral, Jay had to find other ways to connect, mourn and memorialise, and in this gentle, wide-ranging conversation she and Katherine tal…
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Lama Rod Owens on necessary change
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Many of us are enduring a painful new awareness of the conflicts that underpin our social relationships. For Buddhist teacher Lama Rod Owens, this is the beginning of a revolutionary path to our liberation - a necessary upheaval that will rebalance us forever. In this profound, perspective-shifting conversation, we are urged to stop looking for sho…
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Simran Jeet Singh on Radical Interconnectedness
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Being a Sikh in America gives Simran Jeet Singh a very particular insight into the divisions that run between us: on one hand, his visible differences have made him a target for racism; on the other, his religion emphasises the connectedness of all humans, and urges him towards compassion, forgiveness and love. In this thoughtful and wide-ranging c…
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Priya Parker on gathering well
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When it comes to getting together, Priya Parker turns our assumptions on their heads: gatherings, she says, benefit from firm rules and careful management, which allow us to relax more, communicate better, and come away feeling positive. It’s all about clarity of purpose. A lack of structure leads to chaotic and draining events, and may even put us…
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Susan Cain on the bittersweet & introducing How We Live Now
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Susan Cain’s groundbreaking book, Quiet, taught a generation of readers to perceive and value their introvert qualities. Her latest book, Bittersweet is a song to the complex space between happiness and sadness. In this episode, Katherine talks to Susan about how she came to move so comfortably in the understated parts of life, and why the minor ke…
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Raynor Winn on losing everything and finding home
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Leah Hazard on changing career after having her first child
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While we take a rest over the summer, we’re sharing some remastered episodes from Season One, chosen by listeners. This week, I talk to Leah Hazard, NHS midwife extraordinaire and author of Hard Pushed, part memoir of Leah’s life on the labour ward, and part exploration of the current state of the profession. Leah is as funny, wise and warm in pers…
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Remona Aly on breaking an engagement, and the transformative force of grief
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. While we take a rest over the summer, we’re sharing some remastered episodes from Season One, chosen by listeners. In this episode, I speak to journalist and broadcaster Remona Aly about her life-changing decision to call off an engagement, and how it echoed through the years to teach her about …
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Emma Dabiri on history and belonging
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. Producer Note: You'll notice a slight change in Katherine's audio in the second half of the podcast. This is just due to a necessary 'source switch', where we had to change where her recording was coming from. Your ears will adjust very quickly but apologies for the ever so slight dip. Thank you…
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Saima Mir on marriage, dreams and late flourishing
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. 'I am my childhood’s wildest dream,’ says Saima Mir. This episode is about the process of getting there, not just the determination and hard work, but also the intangibles: the beliefs, ambitions and understandings that you don’t even know how to articulate, but which hold you up on a decades-lo…
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week, Katherine talks to Ross Gay about finding delight in dark times. Ross’s practice of writing down a daily delight - a small surprise or pleasure that might otherwise go unnoticed - is the foundation of The Book of Delights, his bestselling essay collection. Here, he talks about the way…
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Aja Barber on getting dressed
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week, Katherine asks Aja Barber how we can change the way we buy clothes. Many of us have an uneasy feeling about the clothes we buy and wear. Although we know that there are ethical issues with their production, few of us understand how to change our behaviour, and make better choices. As …
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Joanne Limburg on reclaiming weird
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to writer Joanne Limburg about the ways that we can find connection in the experience of outsidership. While writing her astonishing new book, Letters To My Weird Sisters, Joanne sought out women from the past who were marked out as ‘weird’, from Virginia Woolf, who was…
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Cole Arthur Riley on "We did good"
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to writer and poet Cole Arthur Riley, author of This Here Flesh and creator of Black Liturgies. Unable to speak up as a child, Cole talks about how she learned to find her voice amid a family of gifted talkers and storytellers. Cole describes her father and grandmother …
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Alexandra Heminsley on inhabiting a female body
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to journalist and writer Alexandra Heminsley, author of Some Body to Love. After infertility treatment, a challenging pregnancy and a sexual assault, Alex found her relationship drifting apart for reasons she couldn’t fully understand. But when her partner finally discl…
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Meghan O' Rourke on the invisible kingdom of chronic illness
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to poet and author Meghan O’ Rourke. In a fascinating conversation with Katherine, Meghan talks about the struggles she’s endured (and endures) with chronic illness. As she mentions in the episode, there is an invisible quality to many forms of illness which makes it ve…
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Sara Tasker on hyperfocus, exhaustion and finding the new normal
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Sara Tasker, writer, social media expert and coach. While you might expect a full on party-popper celebration of social media from someone like Sara - an expert within the realm, this is a very honest chat which takes many entirely relatable routes and tangents which…
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Gemma Cairney on conducting energy with balance and motion
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Gemma Cairney, presenter, curator of greatness and author of ‘Open: A Toolkit...’ and more. There's a strong chance you're familiar with Gemma through her prolific radio and broadcast career, but if not - as you've surely come to notice over the Wintering podcast - y…
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Aimee Nezhukumatathil on nurturing wonder through nature
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Aimee Nezhukumatathil, author of ‘World Of Wonders’ and more. An uplifting, soulful and inspiring chat with Aimee and Katherine, beginning with a foundation of wonder and never dropping the ball once. Moving from prose to poetry and immediately feeling boundaries bei…
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Elissa Altman on navigating the Motherland
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Elissa Altman, author of ‘Motherland’ and more. Katherine finds Elissa in that pre-Christmas zone, which serves as the perfect jumping-off point for a very upfront, candid and fascinating conversation on family. Specifically, Elissa's relationship with her mother. Li…
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Maggie Smith on the mutual reflection of poetry
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Maggie Smith, poet, writer and editor from Columbus, Ohio. You may know Maggie's tremendous work via her poem 'Good Bones', which she has a difficult relationship with. The poem is often referenced in times of crisis, which she thinks of as a 'disaster barometer' - s…
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Cheryl Strayed on walking through the wilderness
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Cheryl Strayed, author of ‘Wild’ and so many more. A luxurious chat from the beginning til the end, this is a wonderful chance to get to know Cheryl a little better and hear the voice behind the books. It’s a true comfort, which folds in everything from the power of …
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Jennifer Pastiloff on the power of 'I Got You'
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Jennifer Pastiloff, a speaker, teacher, and author of ‘On Being Human’. In a warm and honest chat with Katherine, Jennifer perfectly lays the table for where she finds herself at this point in time, as a yoga instructor, public speaker and best selling author. With a…
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Jackee Holder on the good things in life
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Jackee Holder, coach and author of 'Writing With Fabulous Trees', among many more. Jackee Holder is a writer, walker, coach, interfaith minister and daughter of the windrush. In this uplifting conversation, she talks about the capacity of life to uplift us, her love …
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Michelle Adams on how life can change in an instant
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to author Michelle Adams. Michelle Adams is best known as the author of Little Wishes, Between the Lies and My Sister. In this episode, she talks about a sudden and unexplained illness that disrupted everything she knew about herself, and how vital her support network b…
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Angela Barnes on the continual winter of Persistent Depressive Disorder
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Angela Barnes, podcaster, comedian and regular panel guest on Mock The Week (and much more!). Angela Barnes has zero tolerance for anyone reassuring her that she's pretty - it talks over her lived experience, and does nothing to change her self-perception. Here, she …
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Josie George on the joy of small things
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Josie George, author of 'A Still Life: A Memoir'. Josie George has always lived with a complex of medical conditions that are difficult to name, but which leave her permanently in pain and having to carefully manage her mindset and energies in order to cope with ever…
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Georgina Lawton on growing up Black in a white family
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Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May. This week Katherine chats to Georgina Lawton, author of 'Raceless: In Search of Family, Identity, and the Truth About Where I Belong'. For most of her life, Georgina Lawton was aware that she didn't look like her white family, but by her teens, she was no longer able to believe her parent's line…
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