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BAOS: Beer & Other Shhh Podcast

High Season Network

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We share stories about craft beer and the people behind it. On this podcast, you'll hear interviews with brewers, brewery owners and other craft beer industry folks telling it like it is in their own words. Born out of a genuine passion for craft beer, BAOS Podcast are Canadian-born with a worldwide perspective. Focused on the beer scenes in North America, Australia and across the globe, we’re a team who travels for the love of craft beer, showcasing the best brews we find and interviewing t ...
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Ben and Bao's Lukewarm Takes

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Ben and Bao discussing views and opinions on controversial topics with the occasional guest. Topics include sexuality, relationships, religion, politics, economics, music, gaming, motivation, spirituality, culture, and much more.
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Discovering new breweries is always super fun, so when Cee stumbled upon Dallas, TX's Celestial Beerworks at our fave WNY store, Brewed & Bottled, thanks to a suggestion from the owner, Chris, he immediately reached out to get them on the pod. Matt and Molly joined Cee to chat about their long craft beer journeys from the 1990s 'til now, how the la…
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Niagara Falls is home to one of the most versatile breweries in the province, who not only brew killer beer but their taproom experience and food is also top tier. Counterpart was our favourite discovery of 2023, so we were well overdue to catch up. Greg hung out with Cee and Nate to chat about their major Halloween drop for 2024 (7 beers!), their …
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Ontario's Prince Edward County is a region we hype up on the pod regularly, so we were stoked to have the newest brewery in town hang out and crush some brews. Husband and wife team Colin and Steph VanderMeulen joined Cee and Nate to chat about the Dune Hopper story and Colin's history in craft beer, why they try not to fit in but offer something d…
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Fall is our favourite beer time of the year, and while in 2023 we did a deep dive into all things pumpkin ales, in 2024, we switched it up and dove super deep into Fest Biers! Cee and Nate picked up every Fest Bier available at the LCBO (the provincial liquor store in Ontario for those outside of the region) and ran through them while getting into …
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Quebec has been brewing some of the best beer in Canada for a hot minute, and one of the stars of the province is Sir John. Located around 45 minutes north of Montreal in Lachute, Sir John is renowned for their juicy, hazy IPAs and bold, pastry stouts, so we were stoked to finally get the fellas on the podcast. Joel and Simon joined Cee and Nate to…
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This might be a podcast-first: seven custom-designed and printed glasses just for this episode. Glassware is arguably the most important element of craft beer as it's the actual vessel through which we get to experience it, yet it rarely obtains the shine it so glaringly deserves. Tonight, we fix that. Dan of Zenan, the largest glassware company in…
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Independent bottle shops were one of the biggest wins from the pandemic for Ontario craft beer drinkers, and in this latest episode of The Business of Beer, we catch up with two bottle shops x contract breweries that approached it completely differently. Michael of Gather Brewery & Glassworks and Alexander of Lovebird Snack Club joined Cee and Nate…
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The American three-tier distribution system can be a bit of a confusing beast to comprehend, with different rules in each state and more variances than any individual human could ever remember. Good friend of the show Kevin Abbott of Barrel of Monks in Boca Raton, FL joined Cee for a deep dive into the three-tier system and how it works, why they d…
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One of our most watched videos on YouTube is about the life of a craft beer sales rep, and strangely it's something we've never explored at length on the podcast before. Micah Overton of Lilypad, a "CRM crafted for beverage suppliers and distributors to stay organized and sell more liquid", joins Cee to talk about a day in the life of a beer sales …
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Ayr, Ontario is an unlikely town to find some of the best beer and spirits in the province, but the lords at Willibald have been taking care of the community for years now. Cam and Gordo joined Cee and Nate to catch up on what's been happening with them for the last two years, why they chose their Hell Lager as their flagship and the thinking behin…
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One of the most important aspects of marketing in craft beer in recent years is Social Media. We've spoken about it at length via the original The Business of Marketing Craft Beer three-part podcast series, but we figured it was time to really dive deep into all things social. Tiffany Alexis, Co-Founder of both BAOS and High Season Co., joins Cee t…
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At thirty-seven years in the game - that's right, 37 years - Etobicoke's Great Lakes Brewing are certified OGs and are essentially unstoppable. Face of the brand (among other more important things) Troy Burtch joined Cee and Nate to chat about their approach to craft beer over the decades, how craft beer in Ontario has changed, the impact of Gen-Z …
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Prince Edward County is one of Ontario's most exciting craft beer scenes, and the jewel of PEC is Slake Brewing - both for its view and quality brews. Co-Founder and Brewer Nick joined Cee and Nate to chat about beers that you don't have to think about (ie No Thinkies), their barrel program and why they dialled it back, their approach to beer, hop …
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Ottawa's Tooth & Nail is both one of Ontario's most heralded and more underrated breweries at the same time. They've made our Top 10 Breweries in Ontario list every year due to their incredibly well-crafted beers, and it's a crime that we waited three years to catch up with Matty. Cee and Nate chatted with Matt about how they got their initial trac…
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The second episode of our new season, The Business of Beer, brings in the Co-Founders of the breweries represented in Episode #1. Jeff Talmey of Town and Andrew Silver of Fine Balance join Cee and Nate to chat about the current state of the craft beer industry, being a boutique craft brewery versus a growth-oriented craft brewery, the pros and cons…
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While Quebec was slow to enter and embrace the haze game, they've delivered on a level that has made the province some of the best producers of the style in the country. Montreal's Messorem Bracitorium opened in the summer of 2019 and the fanfare was immediate - clearly the hazeboiz and hazegirlz were ready for something local that paralleled their…
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Welcome to our brand new season, The Business of Beer! This whole thing started in early 2024 when Cee and Tiff did a pod focused on why so many craft breweries are closing, and that led to a whole slew of episodes focused on varying aspects of the craft beer industry. These episodes became so popular with guests reaching out to be on the pod to no…
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While Toronto's Henderson Brewing feels like they're Ontario OGs, they're only 8 years old and it's well overdue that we have them on the pod. Co-Founder Adin Wener joined Cee and Nate to chat about their gateway approach to beer, their incredible partnership with Rush, how the expiration of the Master Framework Agreement isn't going to be the craf…
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In 2024, it's never been a tougher time for craft breweries and brewpubs, but for Toronto's Laylow Brewery, the recent closure of their taproom opened up amazing new possibilities. Co-Founders Dan and Colin joined Cee at home in Hamilton to chat about their first canned beer ever thanks to Avling Brewery, the pivot from brewpub to beer and lifestyl…
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We love seeing a brewery grow and thrive from inception, and we've had the pleasure of watching Montreal's 4 Origines do just that since 2018. Keegan and Mike joined Cee and Nate to catch up on the last few years, they touched on their upcoming 6th anniversary, the opening of their West Island brewery Origine Brasse, the differences between beer ta…
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While our main focus here at BAOS is craft breweries, chatting with the folks who take care of the ingredients is just as important. Colin Byrne of Le Labo, a yeast company based in Quebec, joined Cee and Nate to chat about all things yeast, the lineup of beers all used Le Labo yeast so it was great to compare and taste different beers side by side…
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The winner of the 2023 BAOS Top Brewery in Ontario, Godspeed has been crafting elite-level beers for almost 7 years now. After an unusually large break of 6 years from the pod, Bim joined Cee and Nate live from Tokyo, Japan to chat about his journey in the world of Czech beers, his travels to Pilsen and around the world that inspired him, exactly h…
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It brings us a lot of joy to continue to shine a light on the amazing craft beer scene in Australia here on the pod, and the latest returning Aussie legend is Mirek from The Mill. First appearing on the podcast back in 2018, Mirek joined Cee to catch up on what's been happening for the last 5 years, the growth of the beer scene in Collingwood (a su…
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One of the reasons the BAOS team started visiting Hamilton, ON was MERIT Brewing, and it's well overdue to have them on the pod. Co-Founder and Head Brewer Aaron Spinney, affectionately known as Spinney to everybody but his mother, joined Cee and Nate to chat about his beginnings in beer via Niagara College, his history with Sawdust City's Sam Corb…
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Prince Edward County, an island on a lake in Ontario, is one of the most picturesque places in the province that just happens to have an impeccable craft beer (and wine) scene. Nestled in the quaint town of Bloomfield, Matron Fine Beer have really made a great home in PEC. Co-Founder and Head Brewer Justin joined Cee and Nate to chat about his brew…
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Derrick is officially the guest that has appeared the most times on BAOS, tying with Shehan of Lost Craft, and with that milestone, we were stoked to get into this episode. Montreal's BreWskey is an institution in the city, so we were amped that Derrick came by to hang with Cee and Nate to chat about BreWskey's upcoming anniversary, whether they're…
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Sometimes when you're known for one thing, you gotta flex on 'em that you can do so much more. One of the globe's finest haze producers, Troy from Badlands joins Cee and Nate after 2 years to chat about what's changed since 2022, his love of lagers, the Mauvtare farmhouse side project, his approach to recipe improvement, his barrel program and why …
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Any brewery that opened in 2020 deserves respect for making it through one of the toughest times in human history to open a brand new business. One such brewery is Aylmer, QC's 5e Baron, a two-time winner of our Quebec Brewery of the Year. Co-Founder Jacob Barrette joined Cee and Nate to catch up on what's been happening since his last pod appearan…
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The most epic podcast of all time was our first episode with (arguably) the most hyped brewery in Ontario, Third Moon, back in October of 2020. That episode came in at around 4 hours and 40 minutes, and Co-Founder Chris gave us a memorable tour of his incredible beer basement. We finally had them back on, and you already know we had to break some r…
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Whenever the pod comes full circle, it's a beautiful thing. We first had Brendo on the pod back in Episode #29 of the original series when he ran The Public Brewery in Melbourne, Australia. When we reached out to get Dereck of Bad Shepherd back on, we were stoked to learn that Brendo had joined the team. Dereck and Brendan hung out with Cee to chat…
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This episode was a milestone in a bunch of ways - it's the highest podcast episode number we've gotten to ever; it's the first in-person pod we've done in the Adjunct Series; and it was the first time a brewer came to our home for a chat. Love it. Troy Baxter of Badlands hung out with Cee and Tiff to talk about everything surrounding the costs of c…
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In almost 9 years of craft beer podcasting, we don't think we've seen a story quite like this one. Greg Thompson served 22 years in both state and federal prisons in the US for drug crimes and has come out the other side with a prison-themed brewery. Coming home in 2016, Greg has been working on Prison Break since then - an uphill battle for an ex-…
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One of our fave breweries back home in Australia is Banks Brewing (formerly known as Mr. Banks Brewing), and since it's been a few years since we last touched base, we were well overdue. Founder Chris and Cee chatted about Banks' recent name change and rebrand, the state of the Australian craft beer scene, why quality is the new hype, whether Austr…
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A brewery owner who has to be one of the most featured guests on the podcast, Shehan De Silva is now the owner of not just one craft brewery but two, plus a new taproom. Shehan joins Cee and Tiff to discuss the recent acquisition of High Park Brewery and the merged taproom with Lost Craft, their foray into ready-to-drink beverages and spirits, why …
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It's our favourite time of the year... Looking back at the year that was is always a blast, so when Cee and Nate got together to select, chat about and, of course, drink beers from their favourite breweries in 2023, they knew it was about to go down. Twenty-twenty-three was a spectacular year for Ontario craft beer, with some phenomenal new breweri…
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Guelph, Ontario is a great hub filled with craft breweries that appeal to every palate, and we're stoked to finally hang with the legends from Royal City! Cam and Dan joined Cee and Nate to chat about the history of beer in the city of Guelph, Cee and Dan's history at BierMarkt, the Guelph.Beer bus, why super hazy NEIPAs never picked up in the area…
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To kick off 2024, Cee and Tiff hung out for a deep dive into the multitude of reasons behind the alarming number of brewery closures that we've seen over the last 12-18 months. They looked at a number of the Ontarian and Canadian breweries that closed recently, and how several factors influenced where we're at currently including the pandemic and i…
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Now that Hamilton, ON is home base for BAOS, we have a goal to chat with all the craft breweries in the region, and the latest to jump on the pod is Clifford! Founder Brad Clifford joined Cee and Nate to chat about his early beginnings in Toronto, the history of downtown Toronto breweries, the challenges of opening a brewery in Hamilton, why he cho…
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A brewery focusing almost exclusively on German and Czech-inspired beers is a true blessing to any city or town, and Toronto's True History are delivering just that. Co-Founders Adam and Matt joined Cee and Nate to chat about all things crispy, why they chose to focus on the beers that they do and how they've been introducing new drinkers, why time…
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Kingston, ON has a fantastically bright craft beer scene, and no brewery has taken that more literally than Daft. Co-Founder Adam and brewer Rich joined Cee and Nate to chat about what's changed since we spoke to them last in late 2021, the move to cans from bottles, aging their dark beers, how amazing West Coast IPAs are, where the Kingston beer s…
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We made it to 150 in the Adjunct Series, y'all! Almost two years exactly to the recording date, we finally had Andrew Silver from Kingston, ON's Fine Balance back on the pod. We caught up on what's been happening the last two years, we went in-depth into their third-anniversary beers (all 9 of them!), we discussed the value of joining provincial bo…
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We talk to a lot of craft breweries here on BAOS, but we don't talk to enough beer bars so we were stoked to get Dave Perlman of Evalyn's Tap House in Gowanus, Brooklyn, New York on the pod! Dave joined Cee to chat about his extensive history in the restaurant business, how he created the boozy brunch with his restaurant Essex NYC, how the Manhatta…
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Ontario is a province rich in legendary breweries that paved the way for the incredible liquid that blesses our glasses today, so it was an honour and a privilege to speak with the man behind Nickel Brook Brewing. Co-Founder John Romano joined Cee and Nate to talk about their humble beginnings as a home brew and wine store (Best Bitters), their wor…
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Some of you may be familiar with Link Up, a craft beer-focused non-profit organization that BAOS Co-Founded with their friends at 5e Baron. Tiffany and Cee were honoured to host a session at the 2023 Ontario Craft Brewers Conference in Niagara Falls, ON where they spoke on behalf of Link Up about the ethics and economics of diversity in craft beer.…
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Fall is our fave time of year for both the fashion and the beer, and while last year we looked at all things Oktoberfest, this year Cee and Nate decided to focus exclusively on pumpkin beers. They scooped up every available pumpkin brew from the LCBO and cracked them all open to look at the different styles, approaches and offerings from fantastic …
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How has it been five and a half years since we've had Sawdust on the pod? Outrageous. Sam, Jimbo and Brenden of the legendary Muskoka brewery joined Cee and Nate to chat about what has been going on with them since the winter of 2018, the changes in their branding, how they've tweaked their recipes to create some of the finest beers in Ontario, the…
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One of the biggest surprises in craft beer of 2023 for us here at BAOS was discovering Sainte-Flavie, QC's Le Ketch. Co-Owner and Head Brewer Guillaume joined Cee and Nate to chat about craft beer in Eastern Quebec, how they went from a riverside beer bar and restaurant to a brewery with some of the best hazy IPAs in the province, how they satisfy …
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Owning a craft brewery has never been tougher, and nobody knows this better than Kelly Meyer. The former owner of New Braunfels Brewery in Texas for a decade, Kelly sold the company in 2021 and through his struggles and frustrations wrote a book called How Not To Start a Damn Brewery. This turned into a podcast where he interviews breweries who hav…
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The area of Ontario west of Toronto is home to some of the finest breweries in the province, and one that has gone under the radar for us here at BAOS is Flux Brewery in Scotland, ON - until now. Co-Founder Jeremy and Head Brewer Aidan joined Cee and Nate to chat about the brewery's humble beginnings, their Oktoberfest celebrations and the connecti…
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The penultimate week in Link Up's Series 6 brings us back to Ontario with one of the most legendary breweries in the province - Wellington Brewery! Karyn joined Tiff and Cee to chat about their pioneering work with Queen of Craft and creating more gender equality in craft beer, the demographic changes they've seen over the years as a result of thei…
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